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Post by purplegraciegirl on Dec 13, 2006 2:52:37 GMT 10
undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=1040Denis Handlin, Let's Get Serious About Premature Platinumby Paul Cashmere - December 12 2006 It is time for the Australian Record Industry to start taking the platinum award seriously and stop giving premature awards to artists before they truly deserve them. The man that can make that happen is Denis Handlin. Mr Handlin is the Chairman of Sony-BMG, the label which features a roster of Idol performers, including current title-holder Damien Leith, The Young Divas and Guy Sebastian. He is also the Chairman of combined industry group ARIA (Australian Record Industry Association). As Chairman of Sony-BMG, Mr Handlin is well aware of the number of units shipped to stores for these artists. As Chairman of ARIA, he is also aware of the number of actual units sold. The discrepancy between sold in and sold out can be enormous, with ARIA figures often showing less than Gold in actual sales for artists who are already awarded Platinum. This premature Platinum is misleading to the public. It suggests that acts are much more popular than the reality of their reality TV shows. The premature Platinum is giving a perception of credibility which is undeserved. The premature Platinum creates a false illusion for the general public. Unsuspecting kids are led to believe in these false Idols. Denis Handlin is in a position to stop creating the false Idols and direct the music industry back to making real music. Over to you Denis. Let's hope that you still remember the old values of the long term benefit of artist development and support the investment of a long term commitment to the Australian Music Industry.
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Post by Megan on Dec 13, 2006 3:10:58 GMT 10
Thanks for posting! That was actually rather interesting to read, if for nothing else but the dumb 'points' that they made.  Yes, because all kids (or people in general) should base who they are a fan of by their sales numbers and platinum plaques.  Maybe the single didn't go platinum based on sales (I like to think it did though), but who really cares in the long run? As long as there are people out there who enjoy the artist and support him to the best of their ability, that should be all that matters. **Jumps down off the soap box and goes back to sleep**[/color] |
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Post by irishrokit on Dec 13, 2006 3:18:07 GMT 10
Yup agreed Megan  A true artists makes music because they enjoy doing it and putting it out for the fans to enjoy. The Gold/Platinum status doesn't matter that much but it is a bonus and they do have to sell enough albums or the record company's will drop them  . It would be good though if they counted them properly for "all" artists as we know it's not only idols that it happens too, they forgot to mention that bit didn't they? |
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Post by auntybesure on Dec 13, 2006 7:55:50 GMT 10
I wouldn't care if I had to send him money each year (or perhaps every six months) to produce an album just for me if he didn't sell enough to keep up his contract...I would personally open up my house to him and his family to come and stay so D can write and E can paint and J can play with my two boys and I will feed them all and do their washing until D has written a new batch of songs, recorded them, and handed over the CD to me at the dinner table over a bowl of spaghetti. Then we can all head off into the hills and take photos and it will be just fine, thank you very much. Who cares how many are sold. We have him now, so let's keep him!
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Post by purplegraciegirl on Dec 13, 2006 21:15:46 GMT 10
I think it is a fair point, though. I imagine lots of people listen to someone because they're considered popular. Or they get more airplay because they're in the charts, so people know them, so people buy them - self-perpetuating cycle.
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Post by lissa on Dec 13, 2006 21:39:57 GMT 10
paul cashmere is a jackass :bashhead: he is a loser who makes money by sitting at his computer writing drivel that no one cares about. And judging by peoples reaction to D i reckon the sales figures are right  |
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Post by Mi chiamano Kami on Dec 13, 2006 21:46:56 GMT 10
Didn't he write this article a couple of weeks ago? For God's sake, Cashmere, we know you hate Idol, now get over yourself. Any one of the Idol contestants is still infinitely more popular than you. And the platinum thing is the same for any other artist. So... uh, what's your point? Oh, right. You hate Idol. Oh, and don't you just love the way he tries to make up these catch phrases? It's kind of cute in a way. The 'false Idol' is a holdover from his previous article on the topic, and now he's made up 'premature platinum'. Sure to enter Australia's vernacular in the style of the terms 'bringing sexy back' and 'mmbop'... |
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Post by -- Janny -- on Dec 13, 2006 21:52:49 GMT 10
Does paul Cashmere think that many people actually buy albums by looking whether the album gets Platinum accreditation or not? Bleh... if that's true them some people are dumb because they think what's 'popular' is cool. I seriously think what idols have released are better than the other 'platinum' songs that are trashy... of all thing, the contestants on idols are not false Idols (I am guessing Paul Cashmere thinks that p**sy cat dolls, Paris Hilton, Britney Spears are the truer Idols ) |
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Post by Mi chiamano Kami on Dec 13, 2006 21:59:10 GMT 10
Yeah, it's crazy... when you talk about artists the record companies are trying to make us think are popular, the Idols are the last people you'd talk about - didn't we vote them to where they were after all? Okay, so they may hype certain contestants up more than others, but ultimately only the truly popular ones last. And even the careers of the dubiously popular ones last longer than that of, say Paris Hilton... now if you're going to talk about record companies and the media trying to convince us that someone is a popular artist, that's where you gotta start! |
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Post by flynn on Dec 13, 2006 23:00:11 GMT 10
MY GOD!!! Does this nit-wit ever get over himself?  ?? As IF only the artists who were associated with Idol have this sort of chart manipulation going on. It's a world-wide issue that's been going on since well before the Idol thing was invented. And some of the artists who were associated with Idol have had Sony/BMG do the EXACT OPPOSITE. The man needs to get a real hobby. |
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Post by flynn on Dec 13, 2006 23:11:29 GMT 10
ps - I think Mr Cashmere is trying real hard to get himself on a Current Affair etc again - like he did last year - or was it the year before that - might have been both. He's been banging on about this issue for so long it's easy to get confused. I wonder why he's so determined to big-note himself? Perhaps he's suffering from a premature condition of his own, truth be told |
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Post by dededom on Dec 13, 2006 23:13:02 GMT 10
I'm hoping Damien's sales will be so great this week he (PC) will fall flat on his face. When I get the ARIA report breakdown I'll let you know the actual breakdown of sales.
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Post by purplegraciegirl on Dec 14, 2006 0:13:55 GMT 10
I'm hoping Damien's sales will be so great this week he (PC) will fall flat on his face. When I get the ARIA report breakdown I'll let you know the actual breakdown of sales. Cool, Dede. How do you come to get the report? Do you subscribe? |
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Post by dededom on Dec 14, 2006 5:57:07 GMT 10
I'm hoping Damien's sales will be so great this week he (PC) will fall flat on his face. When I get the ARIA report breakdown I'll let you know the actual breakdown of sales. Cool, Dede. How do you come to get the report? Do you subscribe? Yep. |
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Post by winterlong on Dec 14, 2006 8:12:32 GMT 10
I think it is a fair point, though. I imagine lots of people listen to someone because they're considered popular. Or they get more airplay because they're in the charts, so people know them, so people buy them - self-perpetuating cycle. Yes, I think this is true, and I'd like to see aria revise the gold/ platinum certifications to relect the sales figures too But I should point out....while all this talk has people understanding that Gold/ Platinum certification comes from numbers shipped INTO stores, the chart postions are still collected from Point Of Sale data...that is, numbers walking OUT OF STORES via the register! Even if the platinum certification doesnt truly reflect the numbers actually bought, it HAS been the highest selling single for the last 2 weeks.... dont let this article ever have you doubt that fact |
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Maybe the single didn't go platinum based on sales (I like to think it did though), but who really cares in the long run? As long as there are people out there who enjoy the artist and support him to the best of their ability, that should be all that matters. 
A true artists makes music because they enjoy doing it and putting it out for the fans to enjoy. The Gold/Platinum status doesn't matter that much but it is a bonus and they do have to sell enough albums or the record company's will drop them 
. It would be good though if they counted them properly for "all" artists as we know it's not only idols that it happens too, they forgot to mention that bit didn't they? 
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