Id Like Damien To Come Second!

[hyperrune]

And the singing too, of course - I thought we took that as a fact! ;D

[OzBrat]

crushangel said:

I'm pretty sure she will win this thing, have thought so for 3 months...but we have to give Damien the best chance of winning.

Really?? What's made you so sure Jess would win this?

[irishrokit]

I see where you're coming from but if he wants to win then I'm sure he knows what he's in for.

I don't know about being locked into a 5 year contract. Casey's contract was only a year and I think sony has started to relise they need to give the artist more say on the album. And even if he did come second who's to say he wouldn't get the same contract as the winner.

Interesting how all the successful ones are guys. Maybe because mostly chics watch idol do you think or there's just too many female singers that all sound the same?

Anyway it would be a really great moment for Damien if he wins. I'm confident he will do far better than the last 2 idols anyway ;D

[winterlong]

Its good that this topic has been brought up.

I'm a member (or lurker!) of a number of other Idol sites, and there seems to be a similar sentiment.

I've heard of alot of fans of D that have voted him into the final 2, but wont vote anymore...because they believe from past experiences that second is better!


I will confess that this was my original way of thinking too...I would vote till final 2 then let "nature" take its course ;D


While I wont be crushed if D doesnt win (because he has already won in my mind and heart), I now really hope that he does.

I believe his interviews where he says he wants it. I'd love him to have that special moment on the Opera House stage, with his family there and watching. And I want him and Eileen to have that car, dammit!

I'm also encouraged by the fact hes been able to rearrange the single, and that the album will be given more time before release.

But ultimately I know this: I dont believe any previous winner of Idol, as good as they have been, has had the musicality and maturity that D has. He obviously has the talent, but also the self-belief and experience to know where he wants to go. I can see him using this Idol experience to its full advantage, and not being overwhelmed or engulfed by it.



I really hope some of the fans questioning the win will see this as well and vote for him again. I think this Sundays show could be quite vital in that respect.....

[dededom]

funkyadyboi said:

Ive been thinking about this ...

As everyone knows second comes out of idol more ahead!.

Due to the fact the winner gets locked into a contract for 5+ years and gets told what to do, what to sing blah blah.

This is so not damien....

2nd place usually gets a choice. and gets to do what they really wanna do. thats why they usually out do the first place ....


IM A MAJORRRRRRRR OBSESSIVE FAN OF DAMIEN AND HOPE HE DOES AWSOME! I KNOW HE WILL.

but i really want him to come second! because Jess needs to have the guiedence and (ruleing) that idol would give her but damien is far to free and unique to be a manufactured masterpiece!

Hope u can all see where im coming from ! it makes sense!! really

DAMIENNNNN = The Singing Angel.....

I would really like this thread to be deleted. It is just plain stupid. We should be voting him for number one because (a) he is the best in the comp and (b) (perhaps more importantly) to support Damien attaining what he has worked and is working so hard to get.

[winterlong]

but if this thread was deleted, then no-one would get to read the great arguements FOR winning first place! And really, EVERYONE here is arguing for it! LOL!

I think there may be lurkers out there who have similar thoughts or worries...I think they should be able to read this and see that their concerns arent necessary

[crushangel]

ozbrat said:

crushangel said:

I'm pretty sure she will win this thing, have thought so for 3 months...but we have to give Damien the best chance of winning.

Really?? What's made you so sure Jess would win this?

Ummm good question, gut instinct...and the fact that she is very similar to the previous idols....I have never doubted her winning for a second...but I hope I'm wrong, I really do.

[crushangel]

hyperrune said:

kamitsuki said:

I vote for Damien because I wanna see his face when he's announced the winner. ;D I think he's just as capable of squee-ing as Jess if we give him that opportunity.

Oh, there' s other reasons I want him to win too... he's okay at that singing thing they do a lot on Idol too...

Absolutely! He always gets through first, to the top 12 and the top 2, but he always looks incredibly surprised. I think there is always a niggling doubt in his mind that he isn't the "right sort" to win Idol - if he came first, it would prove just how much the nation supports him! He doesn't seem to get as much of a look-in as other Idols from the media and fans at live events, so to show everyone just how solid his voting followers are would be great!

Yeah, let's show them just how solid his voting fans are haha....Bring on Sunday night!!!!!

[hyperrune]

I agree that looking back at past winners, Jess seems to fit the winner's 'role' better. But we are forgetting that there has never, ever, ever been a contestant on idol quite like Damien before! So since we have no previous contestant to compare him to, there's no reason why he can't win, other than that people don't like him, and obviously they do because he's gotten this far. He hasn't had a hitch since the beginning, he's only been in the bottom three once, so there are no real signs to show that he has any less chance of winning than Jess.
I can see your point though, crushangel - when I liked him from the very start of auditions, I didn't think anyone else would like him but me - I didn't even expect him to make the top 12! It shows that 'not typical' doesn't equal 'bad' - and it's great that the Australian public isn't as narrow minded as that!
As for deleting posts, unless someone posts something that is hurtful or insulting to others, I believe everyone should have their say. We're not the Idol forums, there have never been trolls or flaming here, and let's remember that we're all here for a common cause - Damien. We're all friends here with a common interest, despite our differing opinions.
As for the first/second opinion, I can't make up my mind! But with two contestants, it could easily swing either way. If he comes second, I'll be disappointed, but not shattered. I have faith that he'll keep working, and would've even if he didn't make the top 12, until he is recognized as a musician. And as long as that happens, that's what counts. If this is what Jess wants too, well, she has as much right to pursue it as Damien, and whoever wins depends on the votes.

[Mi chiamano Kami]

I think Jess is at a disadvantage personally because she could be seen as similar to previous contestants/winners (I think she is very different myself, but the comparisons are still valid). Most regular watchers of the show already have a favourite among the other divas the show has produced and will compare her to them. And while vocally she's there, she doesn't have the same stage presence and experience as others (and shouldn't be expected to), so the comparison might not be favourable.

Damien is, as mentioned, so very different... I've often attempted to explain him to others and to myself and wound up pulling out the names of about a dozen different singers without satisfactorily summing him up. Idol is going for something different this year, as emphasised in the promos *rolls eyes* and Damien is I think the right kind of different. He has the musicality of someone like Bobby Flynn while being an artist that loads of people can find something to relate with, like Shannon Noll. With vocal ability comparable to... oh, there I go again listing names.

I'm also impressed that as a general public we've shown good taste in keeping him in. I can only conclude we're all ready for something new on the musical front, and for that reason I think (and really, really hope) that Damien will win. But if he doesn't, I'm just going to be grateful that he made Top 2 so that he could build a huge fanbase to help get him where he deserves to go. Like so many people I thought he'd be gone before he even made the live performance round, not because there was anything wrong with him but because he seemed so left of what gets pushed on Idol. As ridiculous as certain judges can be sometimes, I really am glad that Mark, Marcia and Kyle had the good sense to give Damien a go. Although he did kind of beat them over the head with his talent so they don't get that much credit for spotting what we all did in two seconds.

[dleitful]

I like your thoughts there Kamitsuki. Been thinking over the last month that the Idol execs won't necessrily see Damien winning Idol as a bad thing - in fact I'm confident they'd prefer him to win over Jess. As has been said, Jess, though lovely, is more of the same - she's a remodel of a package that hasn't worked before. Damien I think represents more long-term potential for sales.
Take this year's Arias for instance. On the one hand you have the rise and rise of independent/progressive good quality (for the most part) Australian music. On the other you have the biggest selling album going to a group (twee as they may be) that has cornered and bludgeoned the older market (you know, the ones that still buy CDs from music stores and remember an artist for more than 12 months). To me, Damien lies some in the middle, and has elements to appeal to both sets of audiences. True, winning and producing an idol-winners record will severely compromise his legitimacy in the more left-of-centre markets, but he already has the Idol 'taint' so it probably won't make that much difference anyway. If I was a record exec he would still shout $'s to me.

[crushangel]

hyperrune said:

I agree that looking back at past winners, Jess seems to fit the winner's 'role' better. But we are forgetting that there has never, ever, ever been a contestant on idol quite like Damien before! So since we have no previous contestant to compare him to, there's no reason why he can't win, other than that people don't like him, and obviously they do because he's gotten this far. He hasn't had a hitch since the beginning, he's only been in the bottom three once, so there are no real signs to show that he has any less chance of winning than Jess.
I can see your point though, crushangel - when I liked him from the very start of auditions, I didn't think anyone else would like him but me - I didn't even expect him to make the top 12! It shows that 'not typical' doesn't equal 'bad' - and it's great that the Australian public isn't as narrow minded as that!
As for deleting posts, unless someone posts something that is hurtful or insulting to others, I believe everyone should have their say. We're not the Idol forums, there have never been trolls or flaming here, and let's remember that we're all here for a common cause - Damien. We're all friends here with a common interest, despite our differing opinions.
As for the first/second opinion, I can't make up my mind! But with two contestants, it could easily swing either way. If he comes second, I'll be disappointed, but not shattered. I have faith that he'll keep working, and would've even if he didn't make the top 12, until he is recognized as a musician. And as long as that happens, that's what counts. If this is what Jess wants too, well, she has as much right to pursue it as Damien, and whoever wins depends on the votes.

Yeah you are so right, there has never been anyone like Damien on idol. He has got here against the odds. The judges didn't even seem keen on putting him in the top 24...He was the last guy they put through. Since then he was first in the top 12. Last to be bottom 3. First into the top 2....You're right there is nothing to show that Jess has a bigger following than him this year...but I guess it's just my gut feeling and the fact that she is more of a typical, same as everyone else singer (in my opinion) and that's what the public usually vote for.....I really hope everyone who likes him votes this week.

[hyperrune]

Hmm, I've been puzzling over who he's like too, Kamitsuki, and just can't come up with something definitive...
He's kind of the integrity of Ronan Keating with Shannon Noll's jokey, down-to-earth personality, Michael Crawford's opera voice, Roy Orbison's soulfulness, Bono's rock edge and compassion, Billy Joel's piano playing and writing skills, a hint of Chris Issac suaveness...a weird mix, and still not quite right. He's one of a kind, for sure!

[Jim]

Firstly I agree with everything said in this topic. But here are my thoughts on the subject too.

I think the judges under estimate the power us public actually have. I think they always push their favourite. But as we see, year after year on idol, their favourites aren't making it into the final 2. (Not kill me if I'm wrong there, but I think that's the case). And another point, I think mark made it sometime. That the over 30's will all vote for Damien because of his charm and voice. And the under 20's will mainly be voting for Jess cause they can relate to her, being a teen herself. But it's the 20-30 age group that will swing the vote. And I so agree with that. I know cause I'm in that age bracket. And really for a while I didn't know who to vote for. But now I do. But in the end I think tonight's performances will really help the public decide who to vote for. Good luck to them both. And *fingers crossed* for Damien.

And someone here mentioned about Human Nature's ARIA win. And it just proves the above point of people power. The ARIA's these days is all about rock and similar stuff. And funny that the 2 highest selling ARIAs were not rock (Pop and dance won). Maybe it shows people's tastes are changing, or maybe that good music will shine, no matter what. And I think Damien is a great example of that. He's the oldest (I think) singer in the final 12. And no one expected him to be going to the opera house. He like many artists have put in the hard yards and the people are seeing this.

Anyways I think the time of the "rock god" is over. People's tastes change. And Damien came in at the right time. I know all the "officials" in their rooms refuse to believe it and puch what they want to push, but I think it's over. And I've got a feeling assuming Damien wins on Monday, that he could have the highest selling post idol Album ever.

[dededom]

jim said:

Firstly I agree with everything said in this topic. But here are my thoughts on the subject too.

I think the judges under estimate the power us public actually have. I think they always push their favourite. But as we see, year after year on idol, their favourites aren't making it into the final 2. (Not kill me if I'm wrong there, but I think that's the case). And another point, I think mark made it sometime. That the over 30's will all vote for Damien because of his charm and voice. And the under 20's will mainly be voting for Jess cause they can relate to her, being a teen herself. But it's the 20-30 age group that will swing the vote. And I so agree with that. I know cause I'm in that age bracket. And really for a while I didn't know who to vote for. But now I do. But in the end I think tonight's performances will really help the public decide who to vote for. Good luck to them both. And *fingers crossed* for Damien.

And someone here mentioned about Human Nature's ARIA win. And it just proves the above point of people power. The ARIA's these days is all about rock and similar stuff. And funny that the 2 highest selling ARIAs were not rock (Pop and dance won). Maybe it shows people's tastes are changing, or maybe that good music will shine, no matter what. And I think Damien is a great example of that. He's the oldest (I think) singer in the final 12. And no one expected him to be going to the opera house. He like many artists have put in the hard yards and the people are seeing this.

Anyways I think the time of the "rock god" is over. People's tastes change. And Damien came in at the right time. I know all the "officials" in their rooms refuse to believe it and puch what they want to push, but I think it's over. And I've got a feeling assuming Dan's wins on Monday, that he could have the highest selling post idol Album ever.

Very interesting thoughts, Jim.

I think if goes very acoustic tonight (and Waiting for an Angel will surely be done with him playing his guitar, singing for his son..) and shows off his musicianship, he will sell really well - whether or not he wins (although if he does what I just said, he should win anyway!!)